From: Mottel Gutnick Date: May 16, 2006 12:33 AM Subject: Feedback "Dumb and stupid amount to the same meaning ..." No they don't, at least not where I went to school (in Melbourne, Australia). My high-school teacher for English Expression and Literature would have been shocked at such a proposition, and quite rightly so. Equating the two is not only killing the language with incorrect usage, it is socially unacceptable, even harmful. "Stupid" means having low intelligence. "Dumb" means "mute" i.e. being unable to speak ( a condition usually associated with congenital deafness). Furthermore, you are probably also falling into the common pitfall here of equating stupidity with ignorance. They too are not the same. Those who incorrectly impute the kind of meaning you attribute here to the term "dumb", usually mean that the person being described is ignorant (i.e. uninformed), or an ignoramus (i.e. poorly educated in general), but not necessarily stupid, because there are many ignorant people who are nonetheless quite clever (i.e. intelligent). Ignorance can easily be remedied by education, stupidity is not so easily cured. Equating "dumb" with "ignorant" or with "stupid" is a throwback to the dark ages when dumb people (i.e. those who were mute - usually those born deaf and dumb) were often uneducated because their disability made ordinary learning methods inaccessible to them, and what they did know they often could not adequately communicate. Consequently, they were thought to be of inferior intelligence, a great and unfair fallacy. Nowadays, modern teaching methods and sign language have broken that nexus and and linking lack of speech to lack of IQ or to ignorance is really an insult to those who suffer from the former condition. Hellen Keller was deaf and dumb, but highly intelligent, educated and a successful author. Since you are campaigning for correct usage and the preservation of the language, you should set a better example in your own prose and avoid the colloquial but incorrect and harmful equation of "ignorant" with "dumb" and certainly of "stupid" with "dumb". Finally, a comment on your writing style: "amount to the same meaning" is a very inelegant mixture of two turns of phrase. You should either say that they "amount to the same thing" or they "have the same meaning". ---------------- Another gripe about correct usage of English is the confusion that abounds about which personal pronouns to use in the subject and object case: It should be I / we for the former, and me / us for the latter. You Americans are the ones most commonly guilty of misusing these pronouns and it is now an all too common phenomenon to see this misuse being propagated through your exported TV shows and movies. This is very unfortunate because, sadly, TV is a significant contributor to young people's linguistic education. The best rule of thumb for choosing the correct pronoun is to explicate the unspoken but implied trailing verb and apply it explicitly to the subject or object of the sentence, as appropriate. This is demonstrated in the two examples below, where the sentences are repeated with the addition of the words in brackets. The subject of a sentence is the person or thing that performs the verb [action] or that causes the action to occur. The object is the person or thing that the verb [action] occurs to. In the following two sentences, the subject in both cases is "my mother" and the object is "MacDonalds". 1) My mother likes MacDonalds more than me. 2) My mother likes MacDonalds more than I. Both of these sentences are grammatically correct; they just have two quite different meanings. However, if we assume the meaning most likely intended by the speaker, only the second sentence is grammatically correct, though most children would probably say (1) when they really mean (2). The meanings of the above two sentences are: 1) My mother likes MacDonalds more than [she likes] me. Here, a second object (the speaker) is introduced at the end of the sentence for the purpose of comparing the subject's affection for the two objects. To make this clear, the verb is explicitly applied to the second object as well as the first. While this may sometimes be true of mothers of spoilt little brats who are too accustomed to being treated to MacDonalds food, I doubt that's what the speaker really meant. She probably meant: 2) My mother likes MacDonalds more than I [do]. Here, there is only one object (MacDonalds). A second subject (the speaker) is introduced at the end of the sentence to compare the relative intensity of each subject's affection for the object. (Ditto for the "she" and the "her" - the former is used of a subject, the latter of an object.) The personal pronouns "I" and "me" are most commonly misused when one of them is combined with another person, as in: "my brother and me" or "my brother and I". To work out the correct usage, just apply the verb to both persons individually. e.g. 1) My brother and [me / I] witnessed the accident. 2) The car hit my brother and [me / I]. In sentence 1, both persons are dual subjects of the sentence. They witnessed. The object is the thing that was witnessed, the accident. If you apply the verb to both subjects separately, you would say, "My brother witnessed the accident and I witnessed the accident" (not "me witnessed the accident"). Therefore the sentence should read "My brother and I witnessed the accident." In sentence 2, the subject is the car; that is what hit the two siblings. The siblings are dual objects, the ones to whom the action was done; the ones who were hit. If you applied the verb to each object separately, you would say "The car hit my brother and the car hit me" (not "the car hit I"). Therefore the sentence should read "the car hit my brother and me."